Thursday, July 10, 2014

post tribulation rapture scriptures

Matt 24:29 et. seq CONTEXT Jesus answering the question when He will come back and what are the signs of His coming

"IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

THEN THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN WILL APPEAR IN HEAVEN, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, AND THEY WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN  WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY,

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, AND THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."

2 Thess. 2:1-8 "Now brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM, we ask you not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, wither by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS; FOR THAT DAY"

what day? the day of Christ coming, what is all this about, what is THE CONTEXT? "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him," i.e., the rapture

"FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS THE FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST, AND THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

"do you not remember that when I was with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way."

I know you have been taught that this means that the restainer is The Holy Spirit and that His being taken out of the way means He will be gone from the earth because the Church in which He dwells has been raptured, or taken up, but "taken out of the way" doesn't mean removed from earth, especially given the context of standing in the way to restrain, to block an advance, merely taken aside out of the way of the advance He is restraining, and The Holy Spirit being infinite as are the other Two Persons of The Trinity (Jesus infiite in His divinity but finite in His humanity) would hardly be outright absent from creation anyway and the supposed tribulation saints what of them, they don't have The Holy Spirit? nonsense.

Continuing 2 Thessalonians

"And then the lawless one will be revealed. WHOM THE LORD WILL CONSUME WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING,"

And when is "His coming"? According to Jesus' own words, "after the tribulation of those days," incl. after the sun and moon are darkened which happens right after the tribulation of those days, followed by "the sign of the Son of Man" in the sky, and when are we gathered up to meet Him? When He comes back at that point, no secret coming very obvious, and

WHEN ARE WE GATHERED TO HIM?

When He comes back to destroy the antichrist who, since his history and reign ends there, has been persecuting the Church up to that time.

real simple. 

don't forget Revelation 7:9-14 "these are the ones who come out of the great tribulation."

I know your false teachers and false prophets have all kinds of explanations to contradict the plain simple meaning of Scripture, and draw on all kinds of intellectual gyrations but this is the SAME way all heretics and false teachers handle Scripture.

Let Scripture interpret Scripture and while you're at it, there is something one good teacher called the 20-20 rule, always read 20 verses before and 20 verses after a Scripture verse you are given, to be sure you have its context and know what it is in fact about. 

That doesn't mean it isn't a partial view and the full view to be found by combining all Scripture relevant, but when you do combine all relevant Scritpure, and do NOT spiritualize away but take seriously all of it, the result is POST TRIB. 

anything else leaves The Bible looking like it radically contradicts itself. Which is why some things are chopped up and they shift ground and something refers to the rapture if they please to use it for that, but suddenly doesn't refer to the rapture if it gets in the way of their ideas. 

The reason the rapture is our blessed hope is because we will be with Jesus from then on, and will experience His Kingdom on earth, and eventually the New Jerusalem. There will be survivors on earth who were unbelievers but who didn't worship the antichrist who will be the people we rule over with Him, it looks like. The Last Judgement after which there is no change or conversion, is after that. 

Again, Jesus and Paul teach POST TRIB and so did the entire early Church, used to persecution. Only in later Europe and America especially the latter, spoiled rotten with no memory of persecution or experience of it, can this pre trib nonsense get a hearing. But this in itself shows, that the people are NOT Bible centered, they don't study context and read entire books or letters at a time, because if they did they would not take recent history as determinative, like we haven't had persecution in a long time so it won't happen and Christ will get us out, a subjective stance with cultural notions taking "bride" too literally, like why would a man want to see his bride all beat up drag herself to the altar? 

Well, if that's the only way she could get there because of attempts to keep her from him, he would be proud of her not disgusted.

But aside from that, the beauty of the Bride of Christ in God's eyes is not lack of persecution but lack of sin and presence of bravery and loyalty to Him regardless or circumstances.

This latter is the picture you get if you really read The Bible and not just dither through selected stuff and whatever makes you feel "inspired" or whatever your standard is. 

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