Tuesday, July 15, 2014

possibilities from an Eastern Orthodox monk's visions

There are prophecies from Elder Paisios that circulate,
and these were called into question by a monk who
had known him for years, who said he never heard him
say any of these things. But Elder Paisios rarely said
them to anyone, didn't like to talk about what he had
been shown, probably for fear of attention being drawn
away from Jesus Christ to himself.

also, they are somewhat disturbing even if hopeful in
some ways.

One of these prophecies is that world war three will start
in a situation between Greece and Turkey, and another
that the kurds will get their homeland that they want.
The present situation in Iraq is beginning to look like that
could happen.

Also he said the USA would blow up like a balloon. The
person reporting this said he didn't know what this meant,
and Elder Paisios had not elaborated. But there are
several ways this could be fulfilled, all could happen. One
would be the breakup into many segments predicted by a
Russian analyst and others. Or division between two
or more conquering nations. Then there is Yellowstone
and the Long Valley Caldera also getting active, and the
possibility explored in one youtube video that the fracking
and massive underground gas deposits through the midwest
and the collapsing salt dome under Louisiana and New
Madrid Fault could all combine to a catastrophic explosion.


Tom Horn twists The Bible on how to rebuke

Tom Horn published this statement in his series
"Blood on the Altar," which by the way is very
perspicacious in other matters. Especially the warning
that persecution against Christians will come from
other Christians and observes that the USA is back
of most of the foreign persecution of Christians. I
haven't read all of it yet, but the first two entries are
important.

However, in this statement he is in serious unbiblical
error.

"For example, just about every solid Bible expositor 
know has been tirelessly harassed online the last 
few years by fake defenders of the faith. Yet, not 
once have these self-proclaimed “guardians of the 
truth” actually followed the Bible’s mandates
themselves, mandates that very specifically outline 
how believers are to deal with error in the church. 
The New Testament books of Matthew, Galatians, 
Thessalonians, Romans, and others provide 
guidelines for dealing with differences between true 
believers. These verses teach us that if we perceive 
a brother or sister as falling into error, we are to go 
to him or her PRIVATELY in a spirit of humility and 
redemption. If those we approach will not receive 
our advice, we go to the elders of the church 
PRIVATELY and share our concern. If the elders 
believe the issue is legitimate, they go to the person 
PRIVATELY in hopes of restoring him or her. If the 
person still refuses council, the church is to have 
nothing more to do with him or her. With that in 
mind, the next time you are online reading some 
diatribe about Chuck Missler, Gary Stearman, 
Steve Quayle, David Flynn, J. R. Church, 
L. A. Marzulli, Cris Putnam, Jonathan Cahn, yours
truly, or any of the other current favorite targets, 
ask yourself if the hatchet people attacking them 
ever bothered to obey Scripture and go to the 
person PRIVATELY with their concerns in a loving 
spirit of restoration (they haven’t), and then “be 
careful little eyes what you read,” because 
destructive forces seek to contaminate your mind 
and spirit (see Prov. 4:23–27) in order to prep you 
for service to the dark side."

first off, the private consultation is about differences
between believers that may include doctrine but 
mostly are about sin or harm by one to another or
to a third party observed. 

Secondly you don't go to the church elders to talk to
them, you get two or three witnesses to go with you
on the next attempt, so that there is a record of what
was said by who, no he said she said and various
lies and claims something wasn't said that was said,
etc. 

THIRDLY you take the matter to the CONGREGATION
make it public and THEN if your brother still won't hear
you, let him be as a publical or a tax collector, in other
words, have nothing more to do with him or her, shun
him or her, ostracize them. 

BUT THIS MATTER HORN ADDRESSES IS ABOUT
PUBLIC TEACHING OF ERROR. Not claiming Horn
or whoever cheated you or has been abusive or stole
from you or is trying to break up your marriage or 
slandering you behind your back or whatever.

Tom Horn and the rest of the supposed serious Bible
expositors (and there are problems with their Bible
expositions) are speaking and writing PUBLICLY.

THEY ARE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN THE 
POSITION OF TEACHERS.

Therefore the contradiction to them must be public to
undo whatever harm they have done.

And all this talk of public vs. private is not in the 
Epistles cites Horn uses. On the contrary Paul says
to Titus and/or Timothy to condemn sinners publicly
so others will fear and says that evil teachers must
be silenced and after warning a divisive person or
one of corrupt mind two or three times ostracize 
them. The latter is not indicated as private, though
of course if such as an individual approached you 
this would be step one, but step two would be to
warn others.

By going online, and publishing, and so forth, these
writers make themselves into teachers, public 
people, and as such have no claim to privacy, and
I also find it difficult to believe that no one ever, ever,
EVER attempted to address these people privately
or semi privately, email, written, spoken to after a 
lecture, or on a blog conversation post if any of these
Bible expositors ran such. 

But that doesn't matter. This is a public situation which
was made public by these Bible expositors and is 
therefore to be publicly addressed. 

However, if you lift the first sentence
"just about every solid Bible expositor...has been 
tirelessly harassed...by fake defenders of the faith" is true
enough, Robert Gundry got trouble when he published a
book showing the Church WILL go through the tribulation,
and those who expose the errors of the charismatics are
ostracized and vilified.

Those who expose the errors of Calvinism's double 
predestination and generally mechanistic dead kind of
framework of thought and of once saved always saved
are called heretics, when in fact these notions are not
to be found in early church writings, and do not exist
in The Bible without contradiction of them in The Bible
and since The Bible IS WITHOUT ERROR in its 
original monographs and hardly any serious copying 
error, and the statements that contradict calvinism are
too lengthy to be a copyist slipup, it follows that 
predestination is not as extreme as Calvin and Zwingli
thought, and the whole picture is more nuanced than
finite human mind can understand, but of course the
arrogance of Calvin (who was a tyrant who ordered a 
man killed for making a cartoon of him in Geneva) 
dictated that human rationality could comprehend 
everything. (In this he was on track with the more 
mechanistic kind of Roman Catholic scholastic thinking.)

Calvinism has a track record of producing despair and
sin and strange manifestations of demonic oppression and
suicide not to mention personal abusiveness towards his
wife, stalked the revivals of Jonathan Edwards. In Texas
many years ago a real Christian was teaching against sin
and getting trouble from so called Christians who argued
"I drink and do drugs and fornicate and I am a Christian,"
but finally got them to read The Bible not just listen to a
couple of verses out of context followed by a grace and 
once saved always saved and not under the law - which
readily translates in hearers to anything goes - and see
that Christians are required to be moral.

Tom Horn has important things in his books, but they are
mixed with a lot of dubious stuff, and the attitude expressed
is clearly one of ambition and sensationalism appealing to
the flesh of the readers, and his own. 

Chuck Missler has such New World Order military industrial
complex etc. connections that I can only assume some other
agenda is involved in this promotion of concerns about 
nephilim hybrids etc.

Oh, yeah, he repeats the old canard that www adds up to 666 when
you treat the letters of the alphabet as 1 to 9 the tenth letter is 10,
the eleventh is 20 and so forth. When you do this with the English
alphabet, you get 555.

While there is much interesting and dangerous research chronicled
by him and Missler with sources cited, there is also nonsense like
this.

Thursday, July 10, 2014

The Rephaim argument in the Nephilim theories

There is a biblical problem with the notion that the Rephaim 

will not rise in the resurrection of the dead. Aside from 

context indicating this only means "your enemies are down 

for the count," there is this passage clearly speaking of only 

humans, who are going to be struck down for worshipping 

false gods, and for mixing the worship of such with worship 

of YHWH, those who call on both YHWH and Malcham.

Note that it says they shall not rise again, clearly rising is 
about a group that has been damaged getting its act 
together to counterattack, it won't happen in these cases. 
This is not any context relevant to the general resurrection 
and Last Judgement, and Marzulli, Horn, Missler, et. al., 
read this into it.

"They that swear [take an oath] by the sin of Samaria 
[an idol], and say, thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, the 
manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and 
never rise up again (Amos 8:14)."

So clearly this phrasing "fall, and never rise up again," is
not about being soulless angel hybrid whatnot without any
eternal future good bad or indifferent.

post tribulation rapture scriptures

Matt 24:29 et. seq CONTEXT Jesus answering the question when He will come back and what are the signs of His coming

"IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

THEN THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN WILL APPEAR IN HEAVEN, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, AND THEY WILL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN  WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY,

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, AND THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."

2 Thess. 2:1-8 "Now brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM, we ask you not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, wither by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS; FOR THAT DAY"

what day? the day of Christ coming, what is all this about, what is THE CONTEXT? "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him," i.e., the rapture

"FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS THE FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST, AND THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

"do you not remember that when I was with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way."

I know you have been taught that this means that the restainer is The Holy Spirit and that His being taken out of the way means He will be gone from the earth because the Church in which He dwells has been raptured, or taken up, but "taken out of the way" doesn't mean removed from earth, especially given the context of standing in the way to restrain, to block an advance, merely taken aside out of the way of the advance He is restraining, and The Holy Spirit being infinite as are the other Two Persons of The Trinity (Jesus infiite in His divinity but finite in His humanity) would hardly be outright absent from creation anyway and the supposed tribulation saints what of them, they don't have The Holy Spirit? nonsense.

Continuing 2 Thessalonians

"And then the lawless one will be revealed. WHOM THE LORD WILL CONSUME WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING,"

And when is "His coming"? According to Jesus' own words, "after the tribulation of those days," incl. after the sun and moon are darkened which happens right after the tribulation of those days, followed by "the sign of the Son of Man" in the sky, and when are we gathered up to meet Him? When He comes back at that point, no secret coming very obvious, and

WHEN ARE WE GATHERED TO HIM?

When He comes back to destroy the antichrist who, since his history and reign ends there, has been persecuting the Church up to that time.

real simple. 

don't forget Revelation 7:9-14 "these are the ones who come out of the great tribulation."

I know your false teachers and false prophets have all kinds of explanations to contradict the plain simple meaning of Scripture, and draw on all kinds of intellectual gyrations but this is the SAME way all heretics and false teachers handle Scripture.

Let Scripture interpret Scripture and while you're at it, there is something one good teacher called the 20-20 rule, always read 20 verses before and 20 verses after a Scripture verse you are given, to be sure you have its context and know what it is in fact about. 

That doesn't mean it isn't a partial view and the full view to be found by combining all Scripture relevant, but when you do combine all relevant Scritpure, and do NOT spiritualize away but take seriously all of it, the result is POST TRIB. 

anything else leaves The Bible looking like it radically contradicts itself. Which is why some things are chopped up and they shift ground and something refers to the rapture if they please to use it for that, but suddenly doesn't refer to the rapture if it gets in the way of their ideas. 

The reason the rapture is our blessed hope is because we will be with Jesus from then on, and will experience His Kingdom on earth, and eventually the New Jerusalem. There will be survivors on earth who were unbelievers but who didn't worship the antichrist who will be the people we rule over with Him, it looks like. The Last Judgement after which there is no change or conversion, is after that. 

Again, Jesus and Paul teach POST TRIB and so did the entire early Church, used to persecution. Only in later Europe and America especially the latter, spoiled rotten with no memory of persecution or experience of it, can this pre trib nonsense get a hearing. But this in itself shows, that the people are NOT Bible centered, they don't study context and read entire books or letters at a time, because if they did they would not take recent history as determinative, like we haven't had persecution in a long time so it won't happen and Christ will get us out, a subjective stance with cultural notions taking "bride" too literally, like why would a man want to see his bride all beat up drag herself to the altar? 

Well, if that's the only way she could get there because of attempts to keep her from him, he would be proud of her not disgusted.

But aside from that, the beauty of the Bride of Christ in God's eyes is not lack of persecution but lack of sin and presence of bravery and loyalty to Him regardless or circumstances.

This latter is the picture you get if you really read The Bible and not just dither through selected stuff and whatever makes you feel "inspired" or whatever your standard is. 

Sunday, July 6, 2014

Contraction and Convergence, the latest thing in New Age politics of Agenda 21 and massive depopulation down to five hundred million as per the Georgia Guidestones

www.gci.org.uk/.../Pythagoras_Renewed_for_Our_Common_Global_Future. pdf 

link doesn't work because of the ... in it, but if you cut Pythagoras_Renewed_for_Our_Common_Global_Future out of it and paste that in google, you will get the link to it that is clickable. 

skimming the pdf file, I notice

"4. Pythagorean-Platonic language underpinning of C&C
Following the above exposé on the natural, i.e. Pythagorean, relationship between natural 
harmony and the long-term requirements of the UNFCCC for safeguarding the future and 
well-being of Humanity, this chapter provides a series of related ‘statement’s based on the 
Chaldean ‘algorithm’ presented earlier"

this is one of the most egregious efforts at pseudo science even dragging in the starting points of astrology that could lead some to using it, and a pentagram in circle at the top.

That this could be promoted in such a, er, educated and civilized context, shows how far down the scale the typical person is in education.

I am beginning to think that dumbing down isn't just to make us pliable, but to set the stage for making people more easily accepting of occult philosophy and occult practice.

After all, if you can't read very well, you won't study up on herbal medicine that does work when you can't afford medical help or it takes too long when free or reduced rate and gives you inadequate care.

But, if you pick up on something real simple like rub dock leaves on your body and turn somersalts naked in a graveyard at the full moon to cure stage 1 cancer or some such thing, you will be mollified, feel in touch with the higher truth of the higher ups, and eliminate yourself from the population thus helping reduce it a bit more since if you keep this up it will go to stage 4 and death in no time.

ah yes, radiation and toxic sludge are good for you, so drink a brew of this every month during the full moon while listening to a lecture about music of the spheres. 

Of course this wouldn't fly NOW, but give it another 10 years or so.....

already there are alternative health people blithering about how strong and healthy our ancestors were, and we don't need no stinkin' modern medicine just weird diets and occasional actual good herbs. 

The reason we get the impression of strong healthy forebears is that the only people who survived to get pictures taken were the strongest and usually died young.

There is a joke I made up regarding the intensity of life of animals, based on "live fast, die young make a beautiful corpse."

My joke goes, "live fast, die young, make a tasty corpse?"

But with this kind of ignorance plus mysticism plus encouraging depravity and mindless entertainment going on, you could eventually add cannibalism and it would add up to this.

Sunday, June 22, 2014

predestination, election explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xisxjMD8Y0

John 15:1,2 Romans 11 I Cor 15:1,2