The New Situation Developing

It has been pointed out by someone of brilliant mind, who
has unfortunately missed a key truth, that right now we
are in the same situation as the beginning of the Renaissance
and the Reformation. A new technology of information (in
those days the Gutenberg press, in our days the Internet)
is involved in the questioning and destabilization of an
entrenched elite. in those days it was the slightly heretical
and worldly fleshly solutions power oriented Roman
church, in our days the "banksters" or gangsters in banker
respectable format, though frankly I am not sure that the
parallel is exact. A kind of entrenched open and secret
power structure that is supranational and has its own kind
of dogma and purges does exist. A sort of challenge is
going out, though whether all such popular uprisings as
the Arab spring and the Occupy Everywhere crowd are
really comparable is another matter. Crazed fundamentalisms
willing to kill and die for their causes are hardly alien to
the Arab spring, and some others have shown up in the
OWS scene.

Supposedly according to this analysis, the closed system
anti hermetic ideas of physics are partly to blame for the
closed system monetized debt that chains all in more and
more debt and interest.

Ignored by this brilliant mind is that in the days of the
power of the medieval church, all degrees of interest were
illegal, and it was the Venetians to some extent, and Calvin's
arguments more so, that got usury changed from meaning
ANY degree of interest to meaning excessive interest.

The Reformation, Calvin's part of it, made the banksters
possible. Before, to gain on a loan, you had to have a
part ownership given you in whatever until the debt was
paid off, no interest. Or, you kept and used land or
equipment until the debt was paid off, no interest. The
same procedure is what the Arab lenders follow, because
of Islamic laws against all usury, which are still in force,
making their economic gains here and elsewhere, aside
from oil, easier.

Supposedly we now stand at a three pronged crossroads,
Reformation, Renaissance or Revolution. I am not sure
of this analysis, the whole uprising might fizzle or be
coopted, and there is strong evidence of bankster and
elite financing of not only the Tea Party but the OWS
as well. This might of course, in the latter case,
represent a bid for power by a segment of the elite that
looks to unseat its rival segments, by gaining the love
of the masses, or might even represent some actual
humanitarian concern regarding the masses. I don't
remember all that much about the Reformation or the
Renaissance politically, but I think some of this went
on then also.

The Renaissance may have brought hermeticism to the
fore, and these were indeed inspiration for some great
minds as he points out, hermeticism being a mixed
bag of tricks indeed, but it was also the height of
corruption and evil of every kind the in Roman church.

One of the drivers indeed towards the success of the
Reformation, was the horror of the average church
person, who found holy Rome to be a moral and often
spiritual sewer on visiting on pilgrimage.

Savonarola saw this too, and was doing good work
at reforming the unholy people with the church's
blessing, and would have been on the catalog of saints
with other moral reformers and religious revivers, like
St. Francis of Asissi and St. Catherine of Siena, and
many others later, but for one thing, he challenged
the papacy's immoral and corrupt ways. And that got
him shot down.

This brilliant man I am referring to, once wrote an
excellent analysis of the core of christological heresy
and the problem of the filioque. The former lies in
a confusion between person and nature, the latter
creates a general mess out of which Hegelian dialectic
came, partly inspired by Joachim of Fiore, (sp?) and
in turn gave rise to Marx and Hitler.

But another core problem, is the failure to see the love
of God in the atonement. Supposedly the whole sin
as debt and sacrifice as payoff system is the theological
side of banksterism and gives the underpinning idea
that validates debt slavery systems.

But what bankster ever paid off his debtors' debt to
himself, willingly discharged a debt and ate the loss?

The analogy fails.

Part of the problem is having too systematic a mind, you
build complex houses of cards depending on each other.
pull one out and the whole thing, or most of it, collapses.
the unexamined premise and the unrecognized nonsequitur.

Whether we are indeed at such a crossroads in history,
comparable to what happened in the 1500s is another
matter. There are parallels. And like the press, the Internet
can be and is monitored and used by the opposition to
reform or revolution or renaissance, whatever.

Hopefully the mess will sort out without bloodshed or
violent revolution and government overthrow and
assassinations. Such things aside from being illegal,
and bringing bad press on any movement or idea
associated with it and playing thereby into the hands
of its enemies, tend to produce new tyrannies anyway.

Another problem, with this great thinker, is that he
fails to consider that the Roman church was not
behaving consistently to the teaching or example of
Christ or the Fathers. To adopt hermeticism whole
hog heresies incl. is not a solution.

and "a man convinced against his will is of the
same opinion still." teaching and evangelism among
the heresy threatened population is far better than
crusade, because that way the wrong ideas and
practices are eradicated, instead of kept as an
underground stream of pollution. Exactly the
same problem is created when one's spiritual life
is trusted to parents and godparents and popular
art and public events in village church life and
elsewhere, instead of catechism being a requirement
from early days on, at the direction of priests, not
nuns who may be themselves in error

A good example of the latter is the problem, should
one wear a rosary as a necklace? the person researching
this recalled that the nuns who taught her said NO,
but the actual canon law only says that flippant and
secular use of holy things as jewelry is not allowed,
though no one says do not wear a cross openly around
your neck now do they? The attitude is what counts,
and it is pretty hard to treat crucifixes, crosses and
rosaries as mere jewelry to show off the gold or
silver content and not send a religious message as
well. (though some pretty nasty people do wear
crosses, gangsters and whores. probably think they
can do as they please, maybe get good luck from
them, and escape hell by playing a game on God.)

The early Fathers were not strangers to pagan
philosophy and knowledge, and probably knew
some of the material that became the hermetica.

But as I think it was St. Basil said, the Christian
should be like the bee, who goes from flower to
flower, taking what is useful and spurning the rest.
Precisely this approach is NOT what is done by
hermeticists in general or New Agers in particular.

Meanwhile, as Constance Cumbey's blog shows,
all sorts of people are putting all kinds of spin
on the Occupy Wall Street movement, welcoming
it as representing their varied and sometimes
conflicting goals coming to pass.