Talk about pincher movements

A game in the truth about NWO and illuminati scene, is that a lot of people
are taking the obvious, socially unacceptable angles on this, and claiming
that they represent beings of light that oppose all this, but they also reject
the historic Jesus Christ and Christianity, and attack the OT and NT as
false. These ideas have been disproved so well that they were rejected
even by those who were against Christianity. Dismissing The Bible as a
pack of lies just wouldn't hold water. The recent effort to claim Jesus
Christ never existed, was used back in the 1800s by atheists, briefly, and
quickly dropped for being too ridiculous. There is plenty of evidence that
Christ existed, and that He was worshipped as God and believed to
have risen from the dead, from the earliest times of the church, whether
one accepts these facts about Him, there is no way to reject the fact
that He existed. It took a modern less educated population to be worth
slinging this notion to.

For instance, Brian Desborough attacks the Bible and Christ, on the
excuse that he is attacking "fundamentalist" Christian British Israelism,
itself a spawn of occultist John Dee. But British Israelism is NOT
fundamentalist Christianity, though it and its variant Anglo Saxon
Christian Identity, tries to piggy back on such.

It is simply a game of satan transforming himself in to an angel of
light, a deception, such as St. Paul warns about in 2 Cor 11:14.
Petend to oppose an obiouvsly disgusting dark evil, while alienating
you from the greatest power against it, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and
advising along lines that can eventually lead to undermining (in
the name of "freedom" and rejection of illuminati control freak
made laws and being "open minded") of whatever legal and social
prohibitions exist against the worst of it. The result will be a
person who either converts to the darkness or stops fighting it
as it is supposedly the balance and part of the universe, or else
is crippled in a blissed out state that sees nothing and opposed
nothing and promotes nothing but the like of love peace bliss
that was rife in the Manson hippy cult, and did not prevent the
violence that he ordered. David Icke, Jordan Maxwell and
Brian Desborough are cases in point.

A side note. Desborough claims some entities encouraged him
to study Tesla and Reich. While this seems like harmless free
energy stuff, and may be just another way of pretending to be
good, there is a lot of nasty potential in these technologies
as well.

A Possible History of Life on Mars long post, not finished. if links don't work, cut and paste.

A POSSIBLE HISTORY OF LIFE ON MARS

By

Mary Christine Erikson

CHAPTER 1. Mars, Earth, or Zeta Reticuli?

By now, everyone has heard of Betty and Barney Hill. The alien type they

reported, was the long-nosed greyskin, and the leader wore a visored cap.

Barney thought of him as a Nazi. The usual technology using extraction

of egg and sperm seems to have been done.

A star map was shown to Betty, that she was able to remember and

reproduce under hypnosis. Marjorie Fish found the best alignment of the

stars on the map, was to the Zeta Reticuli system. Also, two stars on the

map, at the time thought to be incorrectly positioned, were later found to

be more correct, than the then starmaps of Earth astronomers. Updated star

maps matched the Fish map.

(This probably influenced the 1979 horror sci fi film Alien writers, in that

when the crew is waking up to the fact that they have been awakened too

early, and are nowhere near Earth, they find themselves near “Zeta 2 Reticuli.” The planetoid that the “xenomorph” is lurking on, is circling a strange Saturn

like planet in that system.)

Of course, Mars is our nearest neighbor, so when the UFO waves of the 1950s

and 1960s were found to coincide with the closer approach of Mars in its

orbit, some figured they came from there. Later sightings apparently don't

follow this pattern, since I never hear about it anymore, it is in the older UFO

books.

So where are the aliens coming from?

They don't have to all be coming from the same place.

a. Whether their original point of origin is Zeta Reticuli, with Mars only

a base for them, or originated on Mars, and Zeta Reticuli is a base, or

or whether they are descendants of Earth humans and all life started here,

doesn't matter. What does matter, is that they are here, and as early as

AD 1993, I was bored with reports of stuff in the sky. The real issue is,

what are they doing here, who are they doing it to, why are they doing it, and

just exactly who are they doing what with, in the sense of cooperation?

In any case, the immediate point of origin can be bases on Mars, the

Moon, even on Earth itself. No immediate point of origin need to be

habitable just able to physically support a base.

This of course means some asteroids not to mention Mars' moon Phobos

could easily be hollowed out bases. It might be, that some very few

asteroids could be totally artificial, and the external appearance be either

a deliberate disguise, or a material that incidentally disguises its real

nature, but consists of material(s) that is resistant to harm from radiation

and impacts.

b. The physical types reported are various. Complicating this, are the

“Nordics” and even more amorphous spiritual like things, and overtly

demonic entities. Given the ability they demonstrate to either actually

change form, in which case they are not all that material to begin with,

or to generate illusions in the minds of the viewers as to what they look

like, it is by no means clear that the human appearing ones, aside from

possible third or fourth generation hybridization products, are in fact

what they appear to be.

Someone once said, “never believe anything a government agent, or an

alien, has to say about the [UFO] phenomenon.”

Two possibilities for ultimate origin are:

1. Earth, that all ET s that aren't just demons, regardless of appearance
   or whacked out biology and anatomy, are entirely human in
   origin, plus DNA manipulation and/or what happens when
   many generations grow up in radically non Earth environment

and/or both.

Nazis and others of course would fall into this category.

2. They developed independently of us somewhere else. This does
not prove evolution. It would rather tend to disprove it, because
evolution is such a minimal chance crap shoot, that it can't have
have happened very often, and developing intelligent life, of the

only sort that can develop technologically (i.e., humanoid) is

even less likely.

If you argue Creationism, however, it is very possible. Nowhere does The

Bible say God did not create life elsewhere. That possibility exists, but is not

developed. The Bible basically tells us what we need to know, for our

salvation from sin and wrath for that sin, and to make sense of things.

However, given the usual (but not invariable) pattern God exhibits, to make

things go from a point of origin, option 1 is more likely. Most of the beachhead

style of operating is post Fall, a more scattergun approach seems evident in Genesis

chapter 1, but the Garden of Eden is beachhead style again, though pre Fall. The

point of a point of origin style, would probably be to draw attention off

ourselves (the a number one false god) and other false gods, and back to the

concept of ultimate origins. But we have both behaviors exhibited by God

before The Fall of Mankind, which makes options 1 and 2 both possible.

For the sake of this book, however, I am going to assume option 1. Option 3

would be a scenario not unlike option 1, wherein some other planets would

have been created and life created on them, but only such as would make

them liveable when the human population got large enough and smart

enough to go offworld and need a new home. Sort of like God terraforming

some places in advance for us. Option 3 wouldn't rule out option 2, however,

because God might have made additional places to go for every separately

made intelligent life form.

(No, this is not the homo galacticus notion, which is more like the false

exaltation of some “philosophers,” which is just another manifestation of the

sins of pride and vainglory.)

Now, standard views of antiquity don't allow for offworld exploration, or

even flight, but there are some strange things here and there, OOParts or

Objects Out of Place, that work against the usual worldview taught in schools,

and are therefore ignored. An Internet search will turn up a lot of things.

Which brings us to the antediluvian world. (ante means before, not anti

which means against, diluvian means the Flood.)

CHAPTER 2. The Antediluvian Civilization, and Its End in The Flood.

In The Bible, we have indications of sudden and rapid development of skills

and knowledge. Some of this is said in The Book of Enoch, to have been

taught to humans by fallen angels. This is not the picture Genesis gives,

though it doesn't rule it out either. Probably there is a bit of both. This occurs

among both the Sethite and Cainite populations.

The frequent similarities of names, often in the same or close generations, in

the two lineages, looks to me like intermarriage was going on. Contrary to

promoters of the Two Seed Heresy, Cain and Abel (replaced by Seth his later

brother after Cain murdered him), were full brothers. The Two Seed Heresy

claims, that Eve was physically seduced by the serpent, not only spiritually.

That Cain was a hybrid, and Adam was not his father.

Supporting this, Eve's statement “I have gotten a man with the help of the

Lord” is quoted, and then it is noted that the Canaanite false god Baal means

“lord.” It is then argued that Eve is referring to the demon later called “lord”

by the Canaanites.

But the KJV text uses all uppercase letters, the ord part shorter but still

upper case, i.e., LORD, whenever the Masoretic text the KJV drew on indicated, that

the Name YHWH was present, but it was read as Adonai, a different word for Lord.

Therefore, Eve says, “I have gotten a man with the help of YHWH.”

(Someone pointed out that that is also a way of saying it, like having begotten,

that you would expect a man to use. Hints of the rumors of there being a time

when either sex was not clearly understood as causing pregnancy, or the

female was considered the primary player in the matter, just as later it was the

male who was thought to be so primary, that the female contributed nothing

but a womb, and the male seed planted there grew to be a child. This was a

conceit of the ancient pagan philosophers, adopted by some medieval

thinkers.)

A long time ago I realized, looking at the core of what chemistry and some

electrical stuff needs, bearing in mind how much was done in the 1800s and

early 1900s without the kind of extensive material, housing and staffing we

are used to in research and development facilities, not to mention among the

alchemists, that “once you have fire and glass, anything is possible.”

At the time I said that to myself, I was speculating about messing around with

recombinant DNA, though it wouldn't be thought of as that, and the

induction of mutations and multiplication of some strands of DNA by the

action of the drug colchine, in the crocus.

It would go far to explain the outrageous monsters reported in those Greek

myths.

Paracelsus, whose collected writings in a library seemed to have a dark

almost unclean feel about them, hinted at demonic involvement of some

alchemists, and was the first to talk about the homunculus. The homuculus

was to be produced by mixing semen and menstrual blood and letting them

ferment in a bottle in the natural warmth of composting dung. Eventually

some humanoid would form, and it would talk.

Some recipes called for the sperm alone.

While occasionally a live egg may be in menstrual blood, hence some women

have been known to get pregnant from having sex during menstruation, it is

real unlikely that an invitro fertilization was done. But it might have been.

And it wouldn't have lasted long enough to be anything but an embryo,

though a wild imagination might view it as a tiny man.

But the recipe that calls for semen alone, raises a question in my mind.

Among fruit flies, there is a thing called a haploid. It can occur elsewhere,

but fruit flies are the only ones I read about having this condition and

growing up. They grow up weird of course.

Diploid is the normal condition, of all the chromosomes you are supposed

to have. Occasionally there is the abnormality of a single chromosome

doubled, or missing.

A haploid is a creature, that is missing half of its chromosomes. If a sperm

were to somehow develop without an egg, the result would be a haploid.

Sperm normally have no mitochondria, but occasionally one does have some.

Such a sperm would be the only one out of thousands that would have a

chance to develop parthenogenically, but the result would be a haploid.

Such a human, if it could live, would be radically abnormal looking, and probably

of indeterminate gender, and would not pass unremarked as being weird as all

get out. This is an important point to remember.

And it could never happen outside of alchemic or modern technology conditions,

since it would have no safe place to grow in. And unlike the egg, no tendency to do

this on its own without some help to get it started in the first place.

Now for a brief discursus on parthenogenesis.

An egg can develop on its own, usually by electrical or chemical stimulation,

rarely on its own. Normally, the egg splits into a haploid condition as it

leaves the ovary, and half dies and the other half goes on to join a sperm, or

die.

But should that egg not split, it would be capable of developing on its own.

Parthenogeneis or virgin birth, occasionally happens. One or two lower

species do it regularly. In birds, the result is male. In mammals, the result

is female, the identical twin of the mother. In insects, the result is also male.

Pre fertilization queen bees eggs hatch drones, so do those of the occasional

worker bee (who are all female, and usually sterile). Only the fertilized queen

bee eggs hatch as female worker bees.

Jesus Christ, of course, is male. And His mother was called not merely

betulah, but almah. Betulah only means the hymen is intact. And that means

effectively nothing. A hymen can sometimes survive sexual intercourse maybe

even a few times, if it is flexible and narrow enough. And oral and anal and non

penetrative sexual acts, dry humping and petting to orgasm and rubbing the

penis between the girl's thighs, pose no risk to the hymen. Such a girl is called

a “technical virgin.” Pregnancy could result from a semen spill without any miracle. The Kikuyu unmarried teens, used to engage in this thigh sex with a leather flap to prevent pregnancy. This was part of their pre Christian culture.

But The Theotokos, Mother of God, is referred to in prophecy as almah.

This is translated “young woman” by liberals, but Strong's Concordance says

this word implies isolation, veildness, etc., and Rebekah is referred to as “a

virgin [betulah] AND no man had known her.” clearly, a man could “know” a woman in the sexual sense, and leave her a virgin as long as there was no

penetration of the vagina.

In other words, an almah could not get pregnant without a miracle, absent a

standard parthenogenesis. Since Jesus Christ is male, as the reference to His

circumcision makes clear, He is not the product of a natural parthenogenesis. Since His mother is almah, it follows that His conception was miraculous. And He is not described as looking unusual in any way. Not spectacularly handsome, and

not weird as all get out either. So He wasn't an alchemically produced haploid, assuming that is even possible, either.

So with Jesus we have a mammalian virgin birth, which should be female,

but it isn't. So the human egg, was given a divine tweak to one of the two X

chromosomes to convert it into a Y chromosome. Parthenogenic creatures are

usually not haploid.

But I have often wondered, what if the standard greyskin, not unlike the

description of the homunculus, is what a haploid human looks like? What if they

ARE haploid humans, the product of some monstrous experiment to make slaves

or something that worked?

Which would of course be a variation on Option 1 discussed in the first chapter.

In Genesis chapter 6, there are several important things.

• “ The wickedness of man was great in the earth”
• “ every imagination of the thoughts of [mankind's] heart[s] was only evil
  continually

•  “ all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. “
• And incidentally, “....when men began to multiply upon the face of the
  earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the
  daughters of men that they were fair and they took them wives of all
  which they chose. ...There were giants in the earth in those days; and
  also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,
  and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which
  were of old, men of renown.”

It definitely looks like there were “giants” that were strictly human, and others

that were hybrids, presumably sterile. But maybe not. An old rabbinic legend

has one of these surviving the Flood by clinging onto the roof of the Ark.

If the antediluvian people were using semi modern technology, it would

have rusted away by now. The speed at which things distintegrate, without

maintenance, is shown in the TV series, After People. So they may have had

such things.

But let's assume they mostly got into something involving chemisty and

electricity and electrostatic phenomenon, and spinning things. The crude

Baghdad Battery type plus lodestones and wires and rotation. And maybe

low temperature plasmas. And genetics.

Recently some scientists figured out, that over half of the dinosaur species

never existed, that they were not different species, of minor differences other

than size, but different ages of the same species.

Long ago I read somewhere that gigantism is the easiest mutation to induce.

Even without inducing mutations, selective breeding can make drastic

changes in size and form. Just look at horses and dogs. Most of the breeds we

have now did not exist much more than 200 or in some cases 300 years ago.

This is aside from the ancient core types, but the phenomenon of registries

and closed stud books is from the late 1800s mostly.

Now you will notice that all flesh had become corrupt, or corrupted its way

or whatever. The increase in violence and unnecessary killing and cruelty for

sport, and the development of homosexual perversion and even rape among

animals is what is probably at issue here. Some of this is to be found in some

animals today, though not as much as humans. Some human psychic

influence may be at work with some of this. Maybe the eating of human flesh

by animals has transferred some of The Fall into them, though because of

their lack of brains it can't go too far.

Corruption is seen by the Eastern Orthodox modern writers, at least on the

Internet, as related strictly to death, but corruption is also matter of the heart

and mind. In fact, the term in modern English means it like that more than any

other way.

Corruption ALSO means death and decay, but these things have always been

used as a metaphor, along with uncleanness, for moral and spiritual evil.

But supposing the corruption was aided by human choices in breeding

and training of animals, and maybe recombinant DNA.

Let's suppose the then locals' idea of a war machine was animals. And there

was an arms race.

An awful lot of changes, in size and weaponry, you can see in the fossil

record, would be the result.

Triceratops would travel in huge herds, like the buffalo, but bigger, munching

everything in its path. Imagine the impact of such a thing let loose on the

agricultural infrastructure of an enemy.

Now, in Peleg's time, “the earth was divided.” It is usally assumed to mean

that this was the division of the nations, due to division of tongues at the

Tower of Babel. But some creationists argue that this refers to the separating

of the land masses that so strangely fit each other.

That all the land masses were in one place, is indicated in Genesis chapter 1.

It is also the opinion of geologists, who call it “pangea.”

So it is not at all unlikely, that the violent warlike pre Flood civilizations had

some of their major conflicts play out in those peripheral locations, that later

became “The New World.” aka Western Hemisphere. (Fighting over fishing

rights perhaps? Or some offshore mining rights?)

I have noticed that an awful lot of dinosaur discoveries, of the biggest and

meanest sorts, are in North America.

God got fed up and sent The Flood. Noah alone in his generations was perfect

with God. This “generations” phrasing has been used to argue, that Noah

alone was of pure blood. But you must remember, that Noah's life spanned

many generations in his time. And as each generation was born and grew up,

in his lifetime, all were evil, from youth up.

But no one can be perfect in God's sight, especially in that day and age, without

God's help. I strongly suspect, that when God started deciding to wipe out

most life other than lower life forms, He also set apart to Himself one man, for

whose sake he would save a remnant of all life.

So this was no effort to evade the first messianic promise, that given to Adam

and Eve, by simply having no people to keep it to. (millennia later, when

God was fed up with Israel in the wilderness for the golden calf episode, God

told Moses that He would destroy them, and make a new people for Himself

out of Moses (his descendants). Like, do another start over with Abraham

type thing. But Moses prayed for the people, and God relented. At no time

did God seriously plan, it would seem, to eradicate all mankind from Earth.

God loves us, despite us being so damn disgusting. (Don't you know people

like evil humankind, people whether relatives or others, that you care about

but only from a safe distance and will sometimes help them or inquire after

them, but won't have them in your house?)

The promise was that the woman's seed would bruise the head of the serpent,

and the serpent would bruise the woman's Seed's heel. Now, these are both

lethal or at least crippling blows. A snake that isn't poisonous, will bite while

grabbing, or in exasperation while struggling, but when you read “snake bite”

you think poison, right? So this is a verbal picture involving a poisonous

snake.

For this to be some kind of positive picture, you would have to be implying

in a way that would be understood as such, a Resurrection of the bitten Seed.

That something like this was early on understood, even though Judaism later

had no notion of a dying and resurrecting Messiah, is shown in that when

Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac, he told his servants he left at the foot of the

mountain, that he and the boy would come back. Given all his interactions

with YHWH, Abraham probably figured that Isaac was THE promised Seed of

the woman.

Let's look at this Seed of the Woman thing again. Eve as we have seen, had

claimed the male (in later thinking) role of “begetting.” “I have gotten a

man [male child] with the help of YHWH.” While she saw this as the fruit

of her body, she did not see it as her property, or all her own doing. The

honor, and ultimate ownership goes to YHWH. In family centered systems,

where the child is viewed as property of the parent especially the male head

of the house, which was typical in paganism and slipped into Judaism,

and to a lesser extent Christianity later, you will note that God is not really in

the picture at all in their minds. Whatever lip service is give to God, the gut

level attitude is quite different.

Once you write YHWH out of the picture as the real owner, ownership of

the child even after it is grown, shifts to the parent, who takes God's place,

and is seen have the right to dispose of the lives and persons of your produce, the people you have “created.”

Contrary to the theory that the ownership of other men by men, was made

possible first by the idea of ownership of women by men, and of children

by men, I think it looks more the other way around, and that it started with

women, who considered they owned their children. The bride price probably

started when some female led clans were short of women, they bought women

from other clans. Even now, the function of the bride price, as distinct from

the dowry, is to purchase the reproduction of the girl from her family, so

that her children count to the patrilineage she marries into, and not that of

her own family. In I Chronicles we read of a man in Judah who, lacking a son,

married his Egyptian slave to his daughter, and raised the children to his own

name, and they were listed in the records of Judah as of that tribe.

The women are shown in Genesis as the ones who name their children.

And when Laban uses trickery (backed up by keeping all negotiations with

Jacob secret and him even isolated from the rest of society, always out in

the fields with the sheep and goats, so he can't start comparing notes with

anyone else) and sells his daughters to Jacob, they complain of this later.

They say, that Laban had treated them as strangers, that he had sold them, and

devoured their inheritance.

This is normal behavior for patriarchal or male dominated societies in many

lands even today, far more so and in more lands, in the 1800s and early 1900s.

Wasn't it so then? Why did they complain of routine behavior?

Unless it wasn't routine.

In Genesis 2:18, we see that God's primary purpose for marriage was

companionship and love. It is also stated, “for the reason shall a man leave

his father and his mother, and cleave to his wife [ishah, woman as

individual derivation of ish man as individual] and the two shall be one

flesh.” Note the sequence, leave, cleave, sexual intercourse as an outgrowth

of a growing intimacy and closeness. St. Paul notes in I Corinthians chapter

7 in context of denouncing unchastity in men, that sex makes the two one

body or one flesh, even if done with a prostitute. Sex is such a serious

issue, that in some places it was an impediment to marriage, if the groom

had previously had sex with the proposed bride's sister or mother, as that

would make him a de facto brother or step father, and not just blood but

other relationships figured to make something an incest matter. In the

Mosaic code, a man's father's wife or brother's wife during his lifetime, is

referred to as “his nakedness.” In a situation where no sex occurs outside

of marriage this is easy to keep track of. It gets dicey as casual fornication

becomes commonplace.

But the point here is, that the situation depicted, as God's original plan,

was gynalocal, either the man follows the woman and lives with her, and

she is his ezer neged, his face to face as equal type partner helper, or they

live with her mother. Something similar is depicted in a verse or two of

The Song of Solomon, whose female protagonist is usually the pursuer

and expresses a desire to move him in with her at her mother's home.

There is another phrasing out of Genesis, when Abraham sent to search for a

wife for Isaac, that points to women having more position and independence

or rights on a par with men, than Middle Eastern practices we are used to

hearing about would allow.

It is so slight, you would miss it if you weren't looking for it.

The shift over from matriliny to patriliny, and from eqalitarianism to male

supremacy, was beginning in Laban's time. (Contrary to Gimbutas, who blames

war and meat eating on the Kurgan peoples, who in fact had woman warriors and rulers among them, and contrary to what I call neomatriarchal wannabe radical feminists, male supremacy of the worst sorts was normative, and “the matriarchy” dead in the water, long before Christianity got into the scene.)

Okay, back to the Antediluvian civilization(s) what did it look like?

Sex egalitarian, meaning both sexes were vicious, aggressive, ambitious.

But the curse on Eve was already operational. That curse is threefold.

"I will greatly increase your pain and your conception," this is how the

Hebrew reads, so not only was childbirth made worse, but fertility was

increased. Whatever benefit it may have to man, it is of no benefit to

woman unless very healthy and doesn't start getting pregnant before 25

years old. Probably before The Fall, Eve (who was not called Eve until

much later, back then she was "woman.") only ovulated once or twice

a year, like most animals.

And, "your desire shall be to your husband, and he will rule over you."

This phrasing, someone's desire being to someone or something, has

nothing to do with sex per se. We see it two more times, once referring to

Cain's sin inclination, and warns that sin lurks at the door, "and its desire

is for you and you should rule over it." In The Song of Solomon, the girl

describes the man as his desire being toward her, this phrasing is also

translated as yearning. The Cain thing is kind of odd, that because the sin

nature's yearning is towards him, he can rule over it if he will.

What you yearn toward can control you. Eve like many silly young girls,

whose only thoughts are "will boys like me?" and "will that elite clique

in school who looks down on others like me?" or at least her daughters,

came to yearn after men so that men ruled them by default.

In the Pre Flood civilization, though there was probably technical equality,

you would often find the spectacle of half hypnotized women cowering

yearningly at the feet of some adored inadequate, their lord and master,

not unlike the spectacle in The Stepford Wives.

Slavery probably of abusive sorts, a natural outgrowth of the idea of the

child as the property of the parent because spawned by the parent.

War on a national and personal level. Free wheeling cleverness, lack of

moral inhibition, sexual impurity of all kinds by both sexes probably with

anything human and some things that were not. Fortune telling, black magic,

technologies ranging from normal to encroaching on the paranormal. Every

kind of bribery and corruption. Come to think of it, a pretty modern world.

Cannibalism. Probably hawked in the markets as such. (A comedy horror

movie, Piranha Women of Avocado Jungle of Death comes to mind here, there

were two tribes, both derived from radical separatist feminist movements.

The Piranha Women believed that men should be slaughtered and eaten with

guacamole dip. "And you don't believe in this?" asked the visiting more kindly

inclined feminist anthropologist, of the rival Barracuda Women. "NO! We

believe they should be eaten with clam dip!" and on that difference of opinion

they had been at war for thousands of years, quite an accomplishment since

they both dated from the 1960s at the earliest, and were hiding in avocado

groves outside of San Bernardino.)

But in the pre Flood cultures, women would have been as victimized as much

as men. The Pazyryk (recent antiquity, not pre Flood) burials showed there

were women among the warriors. But the ruler seemed to have been a queen

and shaman, and had the strange pointed hat, that has always been a hallmark

of the wicked witch. Where did that legend, now a child's joke, start? The

cauldron of the witch, full of ghastly stuff, has its precedents among the

Thessalian witches, feared as murderers and rapists, who called down the

moon (an illusion. or perhaps some demon or some really evil UFO people

with telepathic influence skills and powers, whatever, it looked like a moon

like orb that came down. It was where the modern comparatively harmless

"calling down the moon" comes from, but in their time, the Thessalian

witches were illegal, not for being feminists, and not for being pagan, for it

was pagans who opposed them as terribly evil in a way that even most

pagans found inconvenient at least. When Apuleius wrote The Golden Ass he

had to defend himself in court against a charge of being in league with them.

The first witch trial on record is not from the Christian European Middle

Ages, but from Babylonia.)

Back to the Pre Flood culture. Another feature would have been technology.

Fast development of technology untrammeled by any moral sense.

Referring to some imaginative movies, which are educated guesses shall we

say, could help give you a quick idea. In some places, it might have been a Mad

Max kind of environment, in others more like the sci fi regimented space cities of some films.

Alien is a film worth remembering briefly, as a paradigm. Remember the

context in which all that broke loose? A huge supranational multi planet

based corporation, who wanted the xenomorph for its weapons department.

Something that would make the modern multi nationals with their security

forces and de facto semi control over governments, green with envy.

Something that might well become a reality this century.

Something like that would probably have had to have existed back then also,

to get as much done as may have been done, if my scenario is mostly right,

not to mention Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's scenarios, in the Giza Death Star trilogy,

and his research on Nazis and their interest in the sort of technology you get, when you work Maxwell's equations in quarternion, which is more like geometry than it is algebra related, instead of regular notation, and

their post WW II survival and ongoing infiltration and aim for control, and

possible relationship to some modern flying saucers.

The technology that the Pre Flood people would have dealt in, would have

included the world grid, whether it is natural, enhanced or created by

placement of some types of megalithic structure of odd electrochemical

nature I have no idea. If it is natural, and influenceable by such megaliths,

then it probably has something to do in nature with natural deposits of the

sort of stuff that was later used to harness it. Perhaps to position and refine

it. And energy from blood sacrifices could be pumped into it, and could be

drawn on elsewhere.

If we are going to look for Pre Flood remains of civilization, we should look

for two things. First, it should be buried deeply. Without cultivation later,

it would be overgrown, the overgrowth compost naturally and become over

time, layers and layers of dirt, trees, etc.

Though newly discovered buried pyramids are not automatically to be

considered Pre Flood, IF there are any such in existence they will likely only

be found buried.

Second, there should be some evidence of water damage, or water related

dump - fossils, fish, a mud layer, maybe some stratification.

There is one structure that has such features. The Sphinx.

The Sphinx has two relevant features, and a very odd fact that I don't see

anyone but me noticing. (I might be wrong, but so far I have seen no such

comments.)

• It shows signs of water wear. There is no question about this. The only
  question is when this occurred. There seems to be a huge buried lake
  under the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx, which last heard from is
  being pumped out. Perhaps the water wear occurred in post Flood
  times, in dynastic Egyptian or pre dynastic Egyptian times, before
  the Nile flowed as it does now, or during some shift in its course
  that was corrected later, naturally or by human work. Perhaps whatever
  feeds that underground lake pumped a lot more water in suddenly and
  for a long time. But it must have been a very long time.

• It sits on top of a buried building. Egyptian art and modern ground
  penetrating radar make this evident.
  And now for the odd fact.
• It is the exact reverse of normal Egyptian art of the combined human animal
  form. This is what nobody seems to be noticing. Sure, the Sphinx is
  depicted in Egyptian art, in one case two of them.

Egyptian art always shows, either an animal standing upright, anthropo-

morphic in attitude but fully animal otherwise, or it shows a human body

with an animal or bird head.

The Sphinx, with its human head perched on an animal body, is the

exact reverse.

Let's take it for granted, that by the time of The Flood, mankind had gone

offworld, and either met and contaminated others, or the others we see now

are the result of genetic engineering from days long gone.

Another possible scenario, would be that they are the result of a revival of

such arts, and of more recent origin. But lets assume at least some of these

ETs descend from genetically modified people of those times. Or, genetically

modified animals and insects, to which was added human DNA, and more

added, until a line was crossed, and instead of a smart animal you had

essentially a human with a lot of non human DNA and resulting features.

That would explain everything, including their evident ability to produce

hybrids with us.

A base on Mars can be taken for granted, but I doubt anyone would have made

one on the Moon. Why mess with a near vaccuum, when you can live at a

halfway decent air pressure? For Mars is NOT a near vaccuum. Based on

atmospheric features, and the fact that Mars' pattern of being 2/3 more or less

of everything Earth is, I estimated that it is 2/3 the air pressure of Earth,

back in 1993.

Since then, I have watched the Mars landing in the prank hoax movie,

Alternative 3. Either that bit of film is legitimate, someone slipping it to them

once they knew of the plan to make such a movie, someone who wanted the

truth to leak out, whether on his or her own, or as part of a faction that wanted

this. The producers of that film suddenly found themselves having all kinds

of strange trouble, as if they had stumbled on something that someone didn't

want talked about.

And on the screen reporting conditions in that clip, is air pressure, 703 millibars.

(703 point something to be more precise.) That is a bit more than 2/3 our air

pressure.

If you want to argue that there is an effort to redirect attention, to facilitate

hiding something in plain sight, it is interesting that since the Viking Project,

there is a change in how air pressure is measured. In the old days, it was

shown as millibars, now it is shown as hectopascals. or just pascals. I am not

saying that that is not a valid mode of measuring in itself. It is also strange,

that pascals (Pa) are a measurement, that is the same reading as millibars,

with the decimal point moved over. This would of course make for plausible

deniability later, if the truth came out, or was released, NASA could blame

a misprint or something, and say it wasn't lying, just confused pascals with

millibars. Which would be of course nonsense, but 40 or 50 years later, it might

be harder to prove. Because if you take a pascal reading, and call it millibars

without moving the decimal point over, you have the reading in millibars

that it actually is. Or most likely is.

Now, if we are going to look for antediluvian evidences on Mars, we are

going to have to look for structures that are above the levels where Mars

once, as NASA now admits, had or most likely had, oceans.

The Face, therefore, might not be antediluvian. It is not in the real lowlands,

but it is not in the highlands either. It is in an intermediate elevation, that might or might not have been underwater in those days. This location on the Internet

http://www.mars-earth.com/waterfront.htm suggests that it was part of a

waterfront city complex, in which case it may well be Pre Flood. It has a sort of Egyptian looking headgear to it, which might point to Egypt adopting that

headgear from later visitors. This would also be consistent with it having been built

much later, either by people who were influenced by Egyptian culture on Earth,

or by some much more recent people who really had a thing for ancient Egypt. This, as

we all know, is a feature of occultist influenced people from the 1800s to now. But

having looked at how the distribution of The Face and The City is all stricly

above the possible old water line, I would have to go with the idea that it is

Pre Flood, unless there was a time when water was still present but shallower

on the surface, and later drained away underground, or was entirely run into

aqueducts.

The pyramids on Mars are almost never (perhaps never) four sided like ours,

but are three sided or five sided. Either this reflects antediluvian style, in

which case we should be on the lookout for such being dug up here, and

assume they are antediluvian, or this is some later independent culture's

doing. Maybe there is something about Earth, that favors four sided pyramids,

but their purpose is defeated on Mars unless three or five sided. Or perhaps

they are the original format, and Earth pyramids just somehow were made

four sided in terms of the four directions. Perhaps this is the result of research

by more recent Earth people, who improved on the Egyptian pyramid, before

they got to Mars.

Back to Noah's Flood. When Noah started making that Ark, someone must

have noticed this odd behavior. Perhaps Noah was told to say nothing to

anyone but his immediate family, who might have blabbed a little anyway.

And maybe Noah was prophesying to everyone and calling on them to

repent. The latter is more likely, since God gives warnings before He sends

judgements. God is the same yesterday, today and forever, so He is more

likely to have told Noah to warn all than not.

The warning might have gone on for some time, then a halt called and Noah

told to go build the boat.

But some who figured that Noah was onto something, and didn't want to

repent, would have tried to outsmart God, just go offworld, wait it out, and

come back when the dust settled. And God in effect said, "Oh, no you DON'T

get away with that!" and swung Mars in close enough to Earth, for tidal forces

to rip the surfaces of both, yank a lot of Mars' water to Earth, and overload both

sets of wierd physics systems, coupled to Earth and Mars magnetic fields,

blowing both systems out, and destroying most of Mars' magnetic field.

In Genesis, The Flood waters come from three sources, the waters of the deep,

the rain, and the waters above the firmament. A dump coming in from Mars,

would certainly look like water from above the firmament. Wouldn't the

water diffuse in space? If the water was coupling to the deranged magnetic

and hyperphysics stuff, it might have held its integrity for a while, leaving

Mars as a column, and arriving on Earth like rain. That would certainly look

to anyone on Earth, like, say, Noah, like "waters from above the firmament."

And frankly, that's exactly what they would be.

If you look at Google Earth, you will see two interesting things.

• The sea water comes up to "sea level" way past the continental shelf,
  everywhere. It is as if the original sea level was the continental shelf
  itself, where it drops off sharply into deep water, and some more water
  is here now, than was originally. Where did it come from?

• There is The Grand Canyon in North America, and the colossal Rift
  Valley in Africa. The latter being overgown, it is not so obvious, and runs nearly 3,700 miles from northern Syria to central Mozambique. The
  Grand Canyon, we are told, is the result of millions of years of water
  erosion. Nonsense. Water leaves smooth edges, but the Grand Canyon
  is jagged, and looks like a great catastrophic rip in the Earth. And
  sometimes, things are exactly what they look like.

• On Mars, there is a similar rip, the Valles Marineris, which is the length of
  the entire continental United States.

It has been noted, that there are indications that something like lightning

or an electric arc, carved some things on Mars and the Moon. This didn't

necessarily happen all at the same time, but would fit this picture also.

The survivors on Mars may have after a few decades, pieced some stuff back

together and gone farther away. Perhaps the non human looking, and even

mentally different genetically engineered people felt more at home elsewhere

anyway.

There being no indications of a wholesale re-establishment of the Pre Flood

civilization, any return must have been minor, a few instances and few

people. That this might incl. reptillian appearing sorts, is indicated by some

strange artifacts from Ugarit.

If nothing obviously human seeming survived on Mars, or were killed later

in a rebellion, it would probably have not been that welcome on Earth. Maybe

the remaining humans and mostly human looking who survived the disaster

and rebellion were dumped back here, most of them lacking the skills due

to compartmentalization, and the materials to recreate what they had. Their

presence, however, would provide more population elements and faster

growth than Noah and his sons and grandchildren could produce, in the time

needed for cities to develop so soon after The Flood.

Of course, if you tweak the begats to being vastly longer than stated, you

might put The Flood back to c. 5,000 BC and Creation to c. 10,000 BC.

On the other hand, the Jewish calendar has us in year 5771, counting from

Creation. It may be this was an error, for the new creation after The Flood,

which if more or less accurate, would place The Flood c. 3,770 BC.

Another major breakwater, that might have started that clock ticking, could

have been the division of the Earth in Peleg's time. Or, it might refer to the

birth of Eber, the father of all Hebrews and some others besides. If so, then

The Flood would be still earlier.

Meanwhile, back on Mars.....

After the disaster, there would have been two populations, the strictly and

almost humans, and the modified humans. The latter would have had

reptillian and insectoid DNA probably influencing their minds, social patterns

and even reproductive styles.

One abductee, during a mass processing, was asked about her caesarian section

scar. On explaining, the alien grey said or thought to her, "WE don't do it like

THAT!" I forget where I read this.

But how do they get those big heads through those small hips? Maybe they

don't. Two possibilities suggest themselves. One, that the child is born very

small and the head ditto, and the growth to the usual proportions occurs

later. Another, that they lay eggs.

But yet another, would be the marsupial option. A marsupial baby is really

an embryo when it crawls out of the womb, and into the pouch. Some species

do not even have a permanent pouch, but develop one by compression of

some muscles on the belly when pregnant, and keep it as long as needed.

The Australian Bushmen honor something called the Wanjina, who had

power over weather. They look exactly like greys. Though marsupials exist

here and there outside Australia, mainly the oppossum, which rat like has

apparently hitched rides world wide, they are concentrated in Australia, the

only place such a concentration of greyskin like creatures in art occurs.

Perhaps at one point, after the division of the Earth, Australia was home to

a colony of Greys, presumably from Mars, who collected what was left of

marsupial life, and concentrated it in Australia. Perhaps they brought

marsupial life to Earth in the first place. The colony failed for some reason, the

zoo broke loose, and the Wandjina left for places unknown.

A scenario not unlike this could happen in California, should a catastrophe

destroy a lot of buildings and things. Africa USA and some other zoos, if

the occupants survived, well, you'd have a complete African eco system

complete with large predators busting loose and establishing itself in central

California.

http://www.warriors.egympie.com.au/pyramid.html Discusses the Gympie

Pyramid in australia. Though it is dismissed as the work of some farmer, this

site describes the recycling of its precut rocks for building for the Gympie

Gold Rush people, which apparently reduced it to the point, that it could be

dismissed later as merely recent. Also at this site are some strange rock

carvings of crocodillians, which were removed by authorities.

The present Aborigine population, shows three features. They were totally

incapable of such building and lacked the organization, skills and inclination

to do such. They are, however, perfectly able to learn and apply and teach the

skills of modern technology. There is no question they could in the past have

done anything any humans did elsewhere. They were just totally run down

into primitive status by the time Europeans got there. They are also, often

enough to see in photos of pure Aborigines, of somewhat Neanderthal

features. Their skins are black, but their hair though it can be curly is not

really African.

The Wandjina do not look strong enough to build pyramids, unusual

levitating technology aside. Work gangs of humans, either conned into

thinking the Wandjina were gods, or for other reasons, could have done this.

(Egyptian art shows work gangs hauling a huge statue, and circling ramps,

now interior but once exterior, show how the Great Pyramid could have

been built bit by bit. That doesn't rule out levitation to help lighten the rocks

not to mention transport, load onto some carrier and unload, then use rollers

to get them to the pyramid itself.)

When the Wandjina base collapsed for whatever reason, or was abandoned,

the humans (probably kept in ignorance of anything they didn't need to

know, and without skills they didn't need to have, from the Wandjina

perspective) became primitives. Marsupials ran amok all over the

Australian mini continent and nearby islands.

Perhaps since the Wandjina are thought to have (or had) power over weather,

there was a deal with agrarians, to make and keep the place productive, and

once the Wandjina left, that technology left with them. A cargo cult is all that

remains.

in Ugarit, a different type of alien is evident, http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4995/reptilekm9.jpg This is the reptillian

type, or reptoid. This may be a hybrid, as it appears to be a female with breasts

and an infant. Another possibility, is that the breasts were added for public

consumption, and in fact the infant is fed by vomiting up predigested food,

a practice of penguins and some mammals.

There seems to be a three sided pyramid, overgrown so assumed to be natural,

in Serbia. http://www.european-pyramids.eu/wb/pages/european-pyramids/serbia.php

A wizard once lived there, treasure rumored to be there, and paranormal

events reported and association with Vlach (later merged to the ethnic Serbs)

black magic. Maybe this represents some reconnection with some evil sorts

of ETs. Determining the date it occurs in legends, whether it was there when

the Vlachs arrived or predate them, could go far to putting a date on some

Martian activities, since their pyramids are mostly three-sided.

The Bosnian Pyramid is also three-sided. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Mystery-of-Bosnias-Ancient-Pyramids.html?c=y&page=2